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kinkapoodles) wrote2008-08-22 06:28 pm
kinkapoodles) wrote2008-08-22 06:28 pm
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Random Thoughts CSI:NY - Spoilers at bottom for s5
Like my icon implies, I gotta ask. Why do people assume Danny loves Lindsay?? Hell, why do people assume that he EVER loved her? *headdesk*
Well, that's all I can think of right now. My brain is now mush.
He's never said he does. He's never acted like he does. He never told her either time she's mentioned loving him. So, why in the hell would anybody assume Danny loves her and should tell her he slept with Rikki and grovel to win her back?
That's just freakin' insane AND it boggles my mind.
As I said in a post on TalkCSI, I've been spot on so far since Snow Day aired about the status of the DL mess. I have episode reviews in my journal where I called a bunch of things correctly. Here's a rundown of some of them.
1. Love Run Cold - Lindsay stands Danny up and NEVER gives him an explanation. When confronted in the hall later and Danny uses that dreaded chemistry line Lindsay jumps straight to 'relationship' telling Danny she can't have a relationship with him and Danny is shocked and informs her that he was only talking about dinner, drinks, and a few laughs (exactly what he got plus sex in Snow Day). Which implies Danny never intended to date Lindsay.
2. Snow Day - Sex on the pool table was a one night stand. It was obvious Danny never intended to have Lindsay in his bed since he went to the trouble of bringing pillows and a blanket to the pool table. *snort* Lindsay showed her clinginess again by telling Danny she had a dream he'd left. Loved his comeback and I don't think it was as much of a joke as he tried to make it look (Where would I go, it's my apartment.) I would take that as an insult but then again, I wouldn't be clingy like that.
3. Season 4 starts - Danny and Lindsay show absolutely NO signs of being together. In fact, Danny looked and acted annoyed with her throughout much of the season.
4. Boo - Shippy DL scenes were cut. Another indicator TPTB were shifting away from whatever they started with DL. And for the love of God, Danny did NOT call Lindsay 'honey'..not once. He also never rubbed or shoulder or anything of that nature.
5. Child's Play - Danny NEVER once went to Lindsay for comfort after Ruben died and never did.
6. All in the Family - Lindsay went to Flack about Danny not showing up to work. She didn't make any attempt to try to find him herself. Also, neither Flack nor Danny made any attempt to let her know when things were resolved. Danny called Rikki 'sweetheart' and it was so sweet and genuine. What's he ever called Lindsay besides 'Montana'? *rolls eyes*
7. Right Next Door - If you want further proof that sex on the pool table was just a one night stand, just take a look at this episode. The scene between Danny and Rikki was beautifully done and it showed just how much Danny cares for Rikki. It was sweet and tender AND the added bonus of Rikki coming out of Danny's bedroom wearing his shirt. Hmmm...Danny wanted Rikki in his bed but not Lindsay...what does that tell you? Also, Lindsay calling him - Danny had every right to tell Lindsay he was running errands that morning. He had no obligation to say: Sorry Lindsay but I'm spending the morning in bed with Rikki and I'm making her breakfast. *it would have been priceless though* Danny and Lindsay weren't together therefore he doesn't have to tell Lindsay squat. Was this the 'monologue of doom' episode? By the expression on his face, Danny clearly had NO idea that Lindsay thought of herself as his girlfriend or that she was in love with him.
8. Like Water For Murder - (I think it was this episode) Where Danny forgot Lindsay's birthday. I had to LMAO when he didn't really seem all that concerned about it. Why would he if he didn't think they were dating? It was a little lame for Danny to ask Lindsay over to watch Jaws. It was clear he was just trying to patch their friendship up. This is also the episode where Lindsay told Mac it was a stupid mistake to get involved with a co-worker.
9. Personal Foul - Danny/Flack at the basketball game instead of the original spoilers showing Danny and Lindsay. More proof DL never was. I'm convinced, just like others, that the DR and DL scenes were switched but either way, it doesn't really matter since Danny was visibly upset once Rikki said she was moving. For the record, Danny saying that it was a mistake was referring to them using sex to help with the pain. He never said they were a mistake. The phone call to Lindsay was lame but since you can plainly see the sugar bowl was blotted out, that shows me that he only called Lindsay because he was upset that Rikki left and he just wanted somebody else to ease his pain.
10. Spoilers for season 5 - The hint of a montage tells me DL is over. Like others have said, montages usually come at the end of things, mainly relationships. Rikki returning for as many as four episodes along with another guy catching Lindsay's eye. She said she needed to move on and it looks like she will. Danny taking a vacation could very well be to spend time with Rikki. I seriously doubt he's going away with Lindsay. The spoilers did say things would happen with Danny that didn't involve Lindsay.
That's just freakin' insane AND it boggles my mind.
As I said in a post on TalkCSI, I've been spot on so far since Snow Day aired about the status of the DL mess. I have episode reviews in my journal where I called a bunch of things correctly. Here's a rundown of some of them.
1. Love Run Cold - Lindsay stands Danny up and NEVER gives him an explanation. When confronted in the hall later and Danny uses that dreaded chemistry line Lindsay jumps straight to 'relationship' telling Danny she can't have a relationship with him and Danny is shocked and informs her that he was only talking about dinner, drinks, and a few laughs (exactly what he got plus sex in Snow Day). Which implies Danny never intended to date Lindsay.
2. Snow Day - Sex on the pool table was a one night stand. It was obvious Danny never intended to have Lindsay in his bed since he went to the trouble of bringing pillows and a blanket to the pool table. *snort* Lindsay showed her clinginess again by telling Danny she had a dream he'd left. Loved his comeback and I don't think it was as much of a joke as he tried to make it look (Where would I go, it's my apartment.) I would take that as an insult but then again, I wouldn't be clingy like that.
3. Season 4 starts - Danny and Lindsay show absolutely NO signs of being together. In fact, Danny looked and acted annoyed with her throughout much of the season.
4. Boo - Shippy DL scenes were cut. Another indicator TPTB were shifting away from whatever they started with DL. And for the love of God, Danny did NOT call Lindsay 'honey'..not once. He also never rubbed or shoulder or anything of that nature.
5. Child's Play - Danny NEVER once went to Lindsay for comfort after Ruben died and never did.
6. All in the Family - Lindsay went to Flack about Danny not showing up to work. She didn't make any attempt to try to find him herself. Also, neither Flack nor Danny made any attempt to let her know when things were resolved. Danny called Rikki 'sweetheart' and it was so sweet and genuine. What's he ever called Lindsay besides 'Montana'? *rolls eyes*
7. Right Next Door - If you want further proof that sex on the pool table was just a one night stand, just take a look at this episode. The scene between Danny and Rikki was beautifully done and it showed just how much Danny cares for Rikki. It was sweet and tender AND the added bonus of Rikki coming out of Danny's bedroom wearing his shirt. Hmmm...Danny wanted Rikki in his bed but not Lindsay...what does that tell you? Also, Lindsay calling him - Danny had every right to tell Lindsay he was running errands that morning. He had no obligation to say: Sorry Lindsay but I'm spending the morning in bed with Rikki and I'm making her breakfast. *it would have been priceless though* Danny and Lindsay weren't together therefore he doesn't have to tell Lindsay squat. Was this the 'monologue of doom' episode? By the expression on his face, Danny clearly had NO idea that Lindsay thought of herself as his girlfriend or that she was in love with him.
8. Like Water For Murder - (I think it was this episode) Where Danny forgot Lindsay's birthday. I had to LMAO when he didn't really seem all that concerned about it. Why would he if he didn't think they were dating? It was a little lame for Danny to ask Lindsay over to watch Jaws. It was clear he was just trying to patch their friendship up. This is also the episode where Lindsay told Mac it was a stupid mistake to get involved with a co-worker.
9. Personal Foul - Danny/Flack at the basketball game instead of the original spoilers showing Danny and Lindsay. More proof DL never was. I'm convinced, just like others, that the DR and DL scenes were switched but either way, it doesn't really matter since Danny was visibly upset once Rikki said she was moving. For the record, Danny saying that it was a mistake was referring to them using sex to help with the pain. He never said they were a mistake. The phone call to Lindsay was lame but since you can plainly see the sugar bowl was blotted out, that shows me that he only called Lindsay because he was upset that Rikki left and he just wanted somebody else to ease his pain.
10. Spoilers for season 5 - The hint of a montage tells me DL is over. Like others have said, montages usually come at the end of things, mainly relationships. Rikki returning for as many as four episodes along with another guy catching Lindsay's eye. She said she needed to move on and it looks like she will. Danny taking a vacation could very well be to spend time with Rikki. I seriously doubt he's going away with Lindsay. The spoilers did say things would happen with Danny that didn't involve Lindsay.
Well, that's all I can think of right now. My brain is now mush.
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I take the words of tptb with a grain of salt. They tend to change their minds sometimes from the time they open their mouths until the time the episodes actually air. It's possible they could have changed their minds about DL being in a relationship or love or anything else they've said (I can't keep most of it straight). It's no different than saying the DL fans would be pleased by the end of the season and from what I've seen on message boards, most (not all) did not seem pleased.
Also, it's a shame that you had such a well, thought out post and are one of the few that can actually back up their statements with more than 'they should be together' replies, but then posted it anonymously.
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(Anonymous) 2008-08-26 10:42 am (UTC)(link)You're right about tptb and they probably have changed their minds countless times, bearing in mind how so many spoilers have not appeared on screen. I can accept it being a one night stand but tptb haven't really shown that, admittedly they haven't really shown a relationship either, that's what's so confusing. For me it's bad storytelling to have two primary characters doing the dirty and not following it up in any way. Personally I think it probably IS because they keep changing the direction of the relationship, either that or they just want to draw out the drama even more.
As for Danny telling Lindsay he loves her, bearing in mind what he'd just been doing with Rikki that would have been a little ridiculous, that's not to say he doesn't love her. I'm not saying I think Danny DOES love Lindsay but I certainly haven't seen him as easily irritated or annoyed with her as some people have seen. I think he does have feelings for her, it may be that she turned out 'not to be who he thought she was' and he doesn't want a relationship with her, or it may be that he wants to be with her but for whatever reason he was thrown by Ruben's death and turned away from her. It's clear to me that they were in a 'relationship' but that it could have been anything from a friends with benefits thing to a relatively new romantic pairing. It wasn't the deep, both in love thing that some fans thought but I struggle to see it as nothing. Both Flack and Mac hinted at their relationship, Mac in AitF when it was clear he knew they spent a lot of time together re. his 'don't catch it' comment, as was Flack's 'you should piss Monroe off more often' comment, implying that if he hadn't pissed her off she would be at the game with him, then Mac's reaction to Lindsay's 'I shouldn't have gotten involved with a co-worker' comment. It all led me to believe that they spent a lot of time together outside of work and then the fact that Danny obviously didn't spend any time with her after Ruben's death is what prompted her monologue. I get that if you don't like Lindsay it was a 'monologue of doom' and I can understand how it came across as her being selfish. I won't deny that she can come across that way, but I think Danny can be equally selfish. I like them both so rather than feel irritated by their 'selfish' actions I just want to try and understand them a little more and hope to see them working through it, either together or not. I see Lindsay's monologue as stemming from her own insecurities, I also suspect she invested a lot of her emotional needs in Danny post her own drama, which is why she was so hurt by her actions, thus she wasn't able to see past that and reach him in the way that he needed.
As for Rikki, I liked her but her acceptance of Danny and her attempt at reassuring and understanding him just seemed to highlight how selfish he was being. Again, I'm not calling him on that because I do think his actions were understandable under the circumstances. I know a lot of people would like to see Danny and Rikki getting together, I'm just not sure I could stomach it though. If tptb showed D/L weren't in a relationship of any sort other than friendship and they were both clear on that, than I'd say D/R are fair game. But, I think at the very least Danny is possibly guilty of misleading Lindsay, if not out and out cheating. I'm reserving judgement at the moment on that.
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(Anonymous) 2008-08-28 05:23 am (UTC)(link)>>> I know a lot of people would like to see Danny and Rikki getting together, I'm just not sure I could stomach it though.
Could have saved yourself a lot of typing by posting just that.
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(Anonymous) 2008-08-28 06:17 pm (UTC)(link)Also, my dislike of D/R (although I DO like Rikki) directly comes from a sense that Danny cheated on Lindsay. I don't know for certain that he did and if it turns out he didn't then my outlook will be slightly different, hence my reserving final judgement for later. I'll still prefer D/L but that's life.
Jenny
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(Anonymous) 2008-09-04 01:50 pm (UTC)(link)