Random Thoughts CSI:NY - Spoilers at bottom for s5

[kinkapoodles]

Like my icon implies, I gotta ask. Why do people assume Danny loves Lindsay?? Hell, why do people assume that he EVER loved her? *headdesk*

He's never said he does. He's never acted like he does. He never told her either time she's mentioned loving him. So, why in the hell would anybody assume Danny loves her and should tell her he slept with Rikki and grovel to win her back?

That's just freakin' insane AND it boggles my mind.

As I said in a post on TalkCSI, I've been spot on so far since Snow Day aired about the status of the DL mess. I have episode reviews in my journal where I called a bunch of things correctly. Here's a rundown of some of them.

1. Love Run Cold - Lindsay stands Danny up and NEVER gives him an explanation. When confronted in the hall later and Danny uses that dreaded chemistry line Lindsay jumps straight to 'relationship' telling Danny she can't have a relationship with him and Danny is shocked and informs her that he was only talking about dinner, drinks, and a few laughs (exactly what he got plus sex in Snow Day). Which implies Danny never intended to date Lindsay.

2. Snow Day - Sex on the pool table was a one night stand. It was obvious Danny never intended to have Lindsay in his bed since he went to the trouble of bringing pillows and a blanket to the pool table. *snort* Lindsay showed her clinginess again by telling Danny she had a dream he'd left. Loved his comeback and I don't think it was as much of a joke as he tried to make it look (Where would I go, it's my apartment.) I would take that as an insult but then again, I wouldn't be clingy like that.

3. Season 4 starts - Danny and Lindsay show absolutely NO signs of being together. In fact, Danny looked and acted annoyed with her throughout much of the season.

4. Boo - Shippy DL scenes were cut. Another indicator TPTB were shifting away from whatever they started with DL. And for the love of God, Danny did NOT call Lindsay 'honey'..not once. He also never rubbed or shoulder or anything of that nature.

5. Child's Play - Danny NEVER once went to Lindsay for comfort after Ruben died and never did.

6. All in the Family - Lindsay went to Flack about Danny not showing up to work. She didn't make any attempt to try to find him herself. Also, neither Flack nor Danny made any attempt to let her know when things were resolved. Danny called Rikki 'sweetheart' and it was so sweet and genuine. What's he ever called Lindsay besides 'Montana'? *rolls eyes*

7. Right Next Door - If you want further proof that sex on the pool table was just a one night stand, just take a look at this episode. The scene between Danny and Rikki was beautifully done and it showed just how much Danny cares for Rikki. It was sweet and tender AND the added bonus of Rikki coming out of Danny's bedroom wearing his shirt. Hmmm...Danny wanted Rikki in his bed but not Lindsay...what does that tell you? Also, Lindsay calling him - Danny had every right to tell Lindsay he was running errands that morning. He had no obligation to say: Sorry Lindsay but I'm spending the morning in bed with Rikki and I'm making her breakfast. *it would have been priceless though* Danny and Lindsay weren't together therefore he doesn't have to tell Lindsay squat. Was this the 'monologue of doom' episode? By the expression on his face, Danny clearly had NO idea that Lindsay thought of herself as his girlfriend or that she was in love with him.

8. Like Water For Murder - (I think it was this episode) Where Danny forgot Lindsay's birthday. I had to LMAO when he didn't really seem all that concerned about it. Why would he if he didn't think they were dating? It was a little lame for Danny to ask Lindsay over to watch Jaws. It was clear he was just trying to patch their friendship up. This is also the episode where Lindsay told Mac it was a stupid mistake to get involved with a co-worker.

9. Personal Foul - Danny/Flack at the basketball game instead of the original spoilers showing Danny and Lindsay. More proof DL never was. I'm convinced, just like others, that the DR and DL scenes were switched but either way, it doesn't really matter since Danny was visibly upset once Rikki said she was moving. For the record, Danny saying that it was a mistake was referring to them using sex to help with the pain. He never said they were a mistake. The phone call to Lindsay was lame but since you can plainly see the sugar bowl was blotted out, that shows me that he only called Lindsay because he was upset that Rikki left and he just wanted somebody else to ease his pain.

10. Spoilers for season 5 - The hint of a montage tells me DL is over. Like others have said, montages usually come at the end of things, mainly relationships. Rikki returning for as many as four episodes along with another guy catching Lindsay's eye. She said she needed to move on and it looks like she will. Danny taking a vacation could very well be to spend time with Rikki. I seriously doubt he's going away with Lindsay. The spoilers did say things would happen with Danny that didn't involve Lindsay.

Well, that's all I can think of right now. My brain is now mush.

Comments

[ealasaid76.livejournal.com]

But also, people think that some things aren't there with other characters, namely Mac. So...It happens. Doesn't mean any of us are right.

[kinkapoodles.livejournal.com]

All roads seem to lead back to Mac.

Like what?

[ealasaid76.livejournal.com]

People seeing things that aren't there. He's just a complicated man who is doing a job. People make him seem like he's anything or everything.

Including that he's bisexual. But I won't get into that. [shrugs] I don't see it.

[kinkapoodles.livejournal.com]

Don't even freakin' start with me on the bisexual rant again. I don't care if you don't see it. He will be played in RPs however we want to play him whether you agree with it or not.

[ealasaid76.livejournal.com]

I didn't say RPs. RPs are fine. It's just when you say that ON SCREEN, he's one. There is no evidence that supports that fact. That's ALL. Right? You remember me saying that? LOL

[kinkapoodles.livejournal.com]

There's NO evidence that supports he isn't. Just because he was married and dated women does NOT make him totally straight. And yes, whether you accept it or not, there are bisexual people in the world.

Also, I NEVER said he wasn't straight on the show but I never said he was either. I never said anything about it. I'm not really worried about the show since they've never specified one way or another. I started out talking about him being BI in our RPs, you brought the show into it by saying he was straight but confused. Which is just your opinion.

[ealasaid76.livejournal.com]

Possibly. Who the hell knows. We all agree to disagree.

[surfingangel.livejournal.com]

You too, huh?

[kinkapoodles.livejournal.com]

Apparently Mac cannot be bisexual because SHE says so. *rolls eyes* Although when it comes to the show, I never said he was or wasn't. Also, I don't constantly bring up my opinion that he's not attracted to Stella in a romantic way.

I'm still trying to figure out just how Mac's name ended up in a discussion about DL. *sigh*

[ealasaid76.livejournal.com]

Well, I didn't say it because I SAID so. Apparently D/L couldn't and didn't happen, because YOU said so. Something happened...because Danny was still connected in some way. The way that it came on screen was fucked up, I admit. Totally disjointed and random...is how I would describe it.

[kinkapoodles.livejournal.com]

Apparently TPTB see that relationship as fucked up and are trying to remedy their mistake.

For the record, I NEVER said DL couldn't happen. I said it DIDN'T happen in terms of them being a couple. I'm not stupid enough to try and say there was never anything between them but when it comes to actually dating each other...does anybody ever listen to Danny or watch his expressions?

Sex on a pool table does not equal a relationship just like I'm sure you'll agree that Danny sleeping with Rikki does not equal a relationship either.

The writers cannot be blamed if there just isn't any chemistry between Carmine and Anna. The writers cannot take full blame for any of it. Yes, they've fucked some things up. They've done that with all the characters at one time but the rest of them made it work.

[justplainchy.livejournal.com]

I constantly love how when one argues with djgoddess, the original topic of discussion is oft eclipsed by some other topic. I'd been reading along, not planning on tossing in my two cents about DL because well, jillibean and 1csimfan pretty much explained my opinion, but then, as I read, I was completely broadsided by a random comment about Mac being bisexual. Complete and total, WTF moment on my end of the books.

How on earth, exactly, did we get to Mac's sexuality when talking about wether or not Danny and Lindsay are in a relationship? Even as an example, it's a stretch and...honestly, completely out of place. And in my opinion, in a cheap shot at changing the subject and moving people away from the fact that the points made in defense of DL wub have been flimsy at best. If we're going to have some wank, can we at least wank on topic?

[bambiblake007.livejournal.com]

i'm with ya. when did Mac's sexuality become relevant to whether or not DL are a couple...? i had a WTF moment as well *shrug*

also, i am aware of the wank in the RP Comm. it seems lady can't decipher b/t reality & fiction or what is appropriate in RP Comm vs. what is actually on the show. like, her stuff about Mac, tht's not even real. if it's in RP Comm, leave it there. no need in confusing the rest of us...

[roximonoxide.livejournal.com]

I'm not saying any of us are right. I'm just saying it's a thin argument in any case that he 'loves' her. Which was pretty much the initial topic I was tackling here. I'm not sure whats thats got to do with Mac...

[ealasaid76.livejournal.com]

Well, some people see things that aren't there with Mac. See above. Everything is subjective. It's all interpretation.

[roximonoxide.livejournal.com]

That I don't agree with. What we see on the show from week to week, the actual factual accounts of what goes on is not nearly as up for interpretation as people like to think it is. What we don't see, the things that are excluded in order for us to make these assumptions, that is up for interpretation. I've never made the claim that canon-Mac is a bisexual, or anything of the sort, so the claim that Danny loves her is just as thin as that argument would be.

[df-chipz.livejournal.com]

Bingo.

For example, pretty difficult to mistake the Danny/Rikki scene in episode 4x16 as anything other than intimate and filled with affection and care, no? ;)

What's with Mac constantly popping up in the discussion for a DL rant post? *lol*

[ealasaid76.livejournal.com]

It was a comparison about how things are perceived and interpreted, that's all. I don't think that the writers would put that in there, if they didn't intend to have the fans all riled up because Danny cheated on Lindsay. I just think it was lust. Doesn't make it intimate and filled with affection. That would imply that they mean much more to each other...which they don't, as they established when Rikki came over to tell Danny that she was moving.

[df-chipz.livejournal.com]

... yeah, and the writers only write CSI:NY, a show with a cast of six main characters and several other regular characters, for DL and nothing else. *rolls eyes*

Carmine himself said Danny turned to Rikki 'in a very intimate way'. Can't spin his statement as anything else unless of course, intimate now officially means something else altogether.

And again, that's just your opinion, just like it's someone else's opinion that Danny and Rikki have an intimate and affectionate connection. And who says they don't mean much more to each other? What, just because she moved away, Danny automatically means nothing to her and vice versa?! *rolls eyes again* Did you even watch the scene where they said goodbye? The way they both looked like they were this close to weeping? Or the way Danny gazed at her as she walked away?

If they didn't mean anything much to each other, Rikki wouldn't have bothered giving him a gift or telling him she's moving, and Danny wouldn't have looked as crushed as he did at her leaving. And this, by the way, was after his call to Lindsay. Interesting how he wasn't upset at all that Lindsay never showed up at his doorstep, but he was obviously unhappy at Rikki moving away, no?

I could have taken your opinion of it being just lust seriously, if it hadn't been for the really flawed reason to support it.

[detdonflackjr.livejournal.com]

I'm not sure whats thats got to do with Mac...

Because there's no way that Mac could ever love Danny because OMG, Danny's a guy! LOL