Random Thoughts CSI:NY - Spoilers at bottom for s5

[kinkapoodles]

Like my icon implies, I gotta ask. Why do people assume Danny loves Lindsay?? Hell, why do people assume that he EVER loved her? *headdesk*

He's never said he does. He's never acted like he does. He never told her either time she's mentioned loving him. So, why in the hell would anybody assume Danny loves her and should tell her he slept with Rikki and grovel to win her back?

That's just freakin' insane AND it boggles my mind.

As I said in a post on TalkCSI, I've been spot on so far since Snow Day aired about the status of the DL mess. I have episode reviews in my journal where I called a bunch of things correctly. Here's a rundown of some of them.

1. Love Run Cold - Lindsay stands Danny up and NEVER gives him an explanation. When confronted in the hall later and Danny uses that dreaded chemistry line Lindsay jumps straight to 'relationship' telling Danny she can't have a relationship with him and Danny is shocked and informs her that he was only talking about dinner, drinks, and a few laughs (exactly what he got plus sex in Snow Day). Which implies Danny never intended to date Lindsay.

2. Snow Day - Sex on the pool table was a one night stand. It was obvious Danny never intended to have Lindsay in his bed since he went to the trouble of bringing pillows and a blanket to the pool table. *snort* Lindsay showed her clinginess again by telling Danny she had a dream he'd left. Loved his comeback and I don't think it was as much of a joke as he tried to make it look (Where would I go, it's my apartment.) I would take that as an insult but then again, I wouldn't be clingy like that.

3. Season 4 starts - Danny and Lindsay show absolutely NO signs of being together. In fact, Danny looked and acted annoyed with her throughout much of the season.

4. Boo - Shippy DL scenes were cut. Another indicator TPTB were shifting away from whatever they started with DL. And for the love of God, Danny did NOT call Lindsay 'honey'..not once. He also never rubbed or shoulder or anything of that nature.

5. Child's Play - Danny NEVER once went to Lindsay for comfort after Ruben died and never did.

6. All in the Family - Lindsay went to Flack about Danny not showing up to work. She didn't make any attempt to try to find him herself. Also, neither Flack nor Danny made any attempt to let her know when things were resolved. Danny called Rikki 'sweetheart' and it was so sweet and genuine. What's he ever called Lindsay besides 'Montana'? *rolls eyes*

7. Right Next Door - If you want further proof that sex on the pool table was just a one night stand, just take a look at this episode. The scene between Danny and Rikki was beautifully done and it showed just how much Danny cares for Rikki. It was sweet and tender AND the added bonus of Rikki coming out of Danny's bedroom wearing his shirt. Hmmm...Danny wanted Rikki in his bed but not Lindsay...what does that tell you? Also, Lindsay calling him - Danny had every right to tell Lindsay he was running errands that morning. He had no obligation to say: Sorry Lindsay but I'm spending the morning in bed with Rikki and I'm making her breakfast. *it would have been priceless though* Danny and Lindsay weren't together therefore he doesn't have to tell Lindsay squat. Was this the 'monologue of doom' episode? By the expression on his face, Danny clearly had NO idea that Lindsay thought of herself as his girlfriend or that she was in love with him.

8. Like Water For Murder - (I think it was this episode) Where Danny forgot Lindsay's birthday. I had to LMAO when he didn't really seem all that concerned about it. Why would he if he didn't think they were dating? It was a little lame for Danny to ask Lindsay over to watch Jaws. It was clear he was just trying to patch their friendship up. This is also the episode where Lindsay told Mac it was a stupid mistake to get involved with a co-worker.

9. Personal Foul - Danny/Flack at the basketball game instead of the original spoilers showing Danny and Lindsay. More proof DL never was. I'm convinced, just like others, that the DR and DL scenes were switched but either way, it doesn't really matter since Danny was visibly upset once Rikki said she was moving. For the record, Danny saying that it was a mistake was referring to them using sex to help with the pain. He never said they were a mistake. The phone call to Lindsay was lame but since you can plainly see the sugar bowl was blotted out, that shows me that he only called Lindsay because he was upset that Rikki left and he just wanted somebody else to ease his pain.

10. Spoilers for season 5 - The hint of a montage tells me DL is over. Like others have said, montages usually come at the end of things, mainly relationships. Rikki returning for as many as four episodes along with another guy catching Lindsay's eye. She said she needed to move on and it looks like she will. Danny taking a vacation could very well be to spend time with Rikki. I seriously doubt he's going away with Lindsay. The spoilers did say things would happen with Danny that didn't involve Lindsay.

Well, that's all I can think of right now. My brain is now mush.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Asking her to have a meal with him TWICE in TWO SEASONS is hardly frequent.

Who's to say love can't grow between Danny and Rikki eventually? I didn't realize grief stuck around forever and stopped someone from loving another for eternity!

Explain to me why: "I don't blame Danny for turning to Rikki intimately to deal with is grief but I do think it was selfish."? How was it selfish? He wasn't taking advantage of Rikki, she wanted it too. It comforted them both. Was it selfish because he didn't think of Lindsay?

"Rikki showed a maturity in those interactions that for me highlighted just how screwed up Danny was."

It takes TWO to tango like Danny and Rikki have. Feelings, on the other hand, can be unrequited. Lindsay said to Danny she's in love with him but he never said it in return.

[(Anonymous)]

Ha ha, she will never answer you. They don't have a logical answer that will supports D/L. I read their comments in Ausiello's posts. When people asked the same questions there, no D/L shippers answered them. They only whine whine whine and complain for D/L to be exact like what they want. They are ruining enjoyment of CSI: NY for people. My friends won't watch it any more because D/L turned them off. I hope D/L will end in season 5!

[(Anonymous)]

Actually I'm more than happy to answer. I believe Danny was selfish because he was seeking redemption without a thought for how it may affect Rikki in the long term. She voiced her feelings, his response was 'I don't care'. She knew it was a bad idea them sleeping together because of their shared grief. She was mature in her dealings with Danny because she didn't blame him, she understood that what happened to Ruben was an accident. Yet Danny turned to her for his own needs, a need for Rikki to forgive him. There's nothing wrong with that if no-one else gets hurt by his actions, but they did. While people here are stating quite clearly they believe D/L only had a one night stand and until it is proven otherwise they will stick with that belief, hence they don't look on Danny as having cheated. I, on the other hand believe that D/L was more than a one night stand (although exactly how much more I don't know) so have the opposing view that he did cheat (until/unless it is proven otherwise). That's my right to hold that view and does not make me illogical, stupid, or a whiner.

You say your friends don't watch because of D/L, they can't like the show that much anyway because really, D/L are not that big a part of it. Likewise, I think the people who only watched because of D/L and have now stopped will not be missed, it's a crime show first and foremost.

Why, why, why can't we debate some of these issues without insulting each other? That's all I wanted when I posted my thoughts on 1csimfan's original post. Yet again, it has turned into a situation where people who don't agree throw accusations around and lump all D/L fans (although I consider myself a 'liker' rather than a fan/shipper) into the same teenage fantasist category. It's a real shame that you've accused me of being illogical yet have failed to present any coherent argument yourself. People in glass houses, and all that. Jenny

[(Anonymous)]

Jumping to conclusions much? The anonymous before you was simply stating their opinion about D/L shippers who commented on Ausiello's posts at EW. They never said you were illogical, stupid or a whiner. If you have the right to state your opinion, why can't someone else do the same?

I saw the other anonymous comment claiming you to be a D/L shipper called JellyBelly from Talkcsi forums. I browsed through the posts there and that anonymous was right. What you posted here are the same statements JellyBelly posted there. You were warned twice for being disrespectful and hypocritical of other people's opinions. So it's OK for for you to bash Mac/Stella and other ships but not OK for others to bash D/L?

GTFO your high horse.

[(Anonymous)]

Ha ha, I told you she won't answer you! She justified her opinion but didn't answer your first question. That is the one none of them answer. My answer is yes, love can grow between Danny and Rikki! That's why they never answer it. They know it is really possible. They have no excuse why it can't.

(1csimfan, I've lurked on your journal for awhile. Your posts about D/L are so funny and true! They entertain me on early shifts and keep me awake like now, thank god. I also lurk at the talkcsi board. I'm thinking of joining it now.)

[(Anonymous)]

What the hell is your problem? I answered the question that I saw. Was I asked if love can grow between D/R? I must have missed that. To answer THAT question if you're so desperate for me to then yes, of course it can. I'm not talking about the possibilities for the future. I'm talking about what I have seen on screen. I haven't seen love. If the writers want to take it there then they will.

I think I'm finally coming to the conclusion that there is very little chance of having a sensible discussion in this fandom. I came here hoping that the CSIfiles shit wouldn't follow, obviously I was wrong. The immaturity is unbelievable.

[1perfectanomaly.livejournal.com]

How can you expect people to ignore your comments at TalkCSI when you're blatantly being hypocritical in your posts on this journal? A journal of another member of TalkCSI that is read by more members of TalkCSI.

You're chastising people for being disrespectful and insulting when you've been called on that same behavior more than once on TalkCSI. To think people would just ignore this and then call them "immature" because they didn't ignore it is ridiculous. All you're doing is refusing to take responsibility for your own behavior by throwing things back on everyone else.